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Are big name DJ's insulting to you?

Discussion in 'Law & Ethics Discussions' started by DayVeeJay, Apr 19, 2008.

  1. DayVeeJay

    DayVeeJay I've given money to VJForums

    Do you get insulted when some huge DJ like Paul Van Dyke hands you a dvd containing a 60 second loop to play for the entire night? While Paul's was well produced, 90% of the big name DJ's have horrible visual DVD's.
  2. SteveG

    SteveG Downstairs for Dancing

    It's certainly not an insult, they've at times not seen the VJ's work and are ensuring at least some of the content going on screen will be in the style of their branding. I've accompanied PVD several times and his DVD was certaily a lot longer than 60 sec, in fact he probably had several 20-30 mixes. He and his management/engineer have no objection to you mixing with this content as long as they are happy with yours and it fits in with their style. This goes with all the DJ I've worked with, none have ever stipulated that their disc was the only content to be played. I've come accross 2 DJ's who's discs were I'd say without being big headed have been below the standard of my own content, but at the end of the day you've got to remember that those DJ's have recieved content to the value that they have been prepared to pay....some recieving for free no doubt. I enjoy getting discs from DJ's at times, it forces you to go in other directions that perhaps you wouldn't try.
  3. deepvisual

    deepvisual visually challenged

    can we have a quick show of hands for how many people have seen goldie put on a CD and then pretend to mix records?

    I did. Marcus garvey centre - around 6 years ago.
  4. vjaca

    vjaca New Member

    But what about big name dj who brings own vj along...
  5. Tony_Blend

    Tony_Blend formerly known as theLABvisuals

    I did , November 2007!
  6. deepvisual

    deepvisual visually challenged

    going back to the thread, I remember some addict giving me two dvds of utter rubbish, one of which was PAL 16:9 the other NTSC 4:3 and then repeat 4 lines of marketing speak along the lines of " these images are essential to the core identity of the ( .....insert DJ name here) brand and must be played etc etc" before lapsing back into a trance.
    I think he was famous, but then all DJs are aren't they?
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2008
  7. SteveG

    SteveG Downstairs for Dancing

    Obviously not :jump:
  8. john01

    john01 5 quids worth of italics

    At least he showed up, he didn't show for gigs in Japan twice.
  9. eddi

    eddi New Member

    when a dj comes up to me with a dvd and asks me to play it, my answer is:

    'sure, that would be fun. btw, i brought some cd's with me, could you play those in your set?'
  10. ShaKinDa

    ShaKinDa New Member

    i like you balls eddi,

    although i just called him a physco in another thread lets not forget goldie is one of the godfathers of jungle, helped make dnb and is forever a legend...
  11. eddi

    eddi New Member

    well, most of the times i do play something from their dvd - and switch it off as soon as they've seen it's been played.
    and obviously they've never played my cd's (which i don't bring along), but you should see the look on their face!
    they are totally confused, and i'd like to think that some of them may think twice before asking next time...
  12. complexvisuals

    complexvisuals Eye Squared

    Shivering in their boots I'm sure.
  13. Cristobal

    Cristobal Vision 2012

    Dutch oldie Misjah once told me to get him something to drink while i was vj'ing.......i brought him back some water :cool:
  14. rayrik

    rayrik New Member

    DJ...?......think? I am amazed seeing the word think twice in a sentence referring to DJs.
    How could I be insulted by intellectually challenged ? I find celebrity DJs amusing since unlike with regular mentally handicapped it is not politically/morally incorrect to laugh at their stupidity. I would even suggest turn it around, and try get a deal to produce new DVD for him. You can earn some money and have fun improvising on the spot some bullshit tech talk convincing him why his current DVD is not matching his intergalactic greatness and you his greatest fan would love make him new DVD FOR FREE, as a token of appreciation. All he has to do is to say yes, you will charge no fees, he only has to cover the production costs (10 000 Euro or whatever just double the figure you usually charge for such DVD) to get his new FREE DVD.
  15. SteveG

    SteveG Downstairs for Dancing

    I sometimes wonder why some VJ's continue to work in clubs when or if they feel like you rayrik, I'm not sure if you actually VJ in clubs. Most of the VJ's on the forum I would think rely on the popularity of DJ's to secure them some work. DJ's do not rely on VJ's and never will. If it were not for these popular DJ's being able to fill the larger clubs most of us would possibly be bedroom VJ's only.
    DJ's produce music using a far greater amout of technical equipment than we use to produce a few visual clips. Not to mention that many are very good and clever musicians. They sell their tracks in their thousands for a greater price than most of us can ever hope to gain from a few VJ loops. They perform for 2hrs (typically) Live and earn far greater money than we do as it is they who fill the club. Who's the stupid ones here? or could it be that they just haven't found the right visual producer, dont find visuals important enough or realise that we may try to rip them off for something that is half decent. Most DJ's after all tour without visuals.

    Just the first studio I found on the net, and I dont think it's a particularly large one at that.

    [​IMG]
  16. shudder inc

    shudder inc ......

    is this a bad thing? it would be a bummer if the club resident vj had no heads up about this and then prepared content and such, but is this worse than being handed a dvd? at least in this situation the dj cared enough about the visuals on the screen to work with someone to achieve this. and it's only for that one dj's set....
  17. paranoidkarma

    paranoidkarma ** VISUAL ADDICT **

    Last week i arrived at the club and gave a CD with my favourite mp3 music to the DJ...
  18. rayrik

    rayrik New Member

    A DJ who thinks that he is a musician is like milkman who thinks that he is a cow. The most of the celebrity DJs dont produce anything but get stuff done by ghost producers.
  19. SteveG

    SteveG Downstairs for Dancing

    Rayrik, there are some who do use ghost producers to a degree but not all and only the really big names when they are very busy or have recieved good promo material from someone. I'm working with a DJ producer at the moment who has spent the last several months producing his next Album, he plays Bass, Keyboard and god knows what else. He's not a one off. At an event a couple of years ago he was DJ'ing with a partner B2B, he broke off picked up the Bass and started playing the Bass line live and then changed to play the keyboard with a Live vocalist coming in too. Some are very good musicians....they may also deliver milk mind you ;)
  20. rayrik

    rayrik New Member

    Of course there are musicians who DJ (including myself, what to do .... those bills to pay) and some DJs who took this line seriously and became musicians, producers.
    The point is that from what I seen on dFuse book DVD and things posted here most of you are talented more artists, brilliant indeed worth more then most of those clowns known as star DJs.
  21. Psychoptik

    Psychoptik Member

    Ive had DVD handed to me by all kinds of people, from promoters, djs, etc as well as just average people.
    Had digital cameras handed an asked if i could feed pictures into my mixer or plug a video ipod with some random movie.

    My first reaction is to ALWAYS reject it, if it is a must (have to please sponsors, record label, club, etc) ill play it as little as possible - only when person comes up and asks to see it on screen.
    Sometimes they bring logos on cd in jpeg format and ask me if i can add them to the mix...sometimes i have no option but to do so, but i try my best to avoid it
    Most of the times image quality or content isnt the best...more than a few times i have denied to even consider receiving dvds at all (Animatrix and Akira, someones crap short film) for example ...i usually end up telling em my dvd player is busted or doesnt recognize their disc which usually solves problem.

    Ive also had people trying to recommend what i should mix -"Have you ever seen a movie called Baraka? you should totally use that...or maybe the Matrix!!!"

    Up to now havent really had problems with any dj demanding his own visuals be used or the like...only clubs have given me shit, mostly about my setup interfering with their own in house way of doing things.

    Peace
  22. WordVirus23

    WordVirus23 NoInput is Detected

    I have to take issue with only one point here... I've seen several producer's studios... and they are typically neat and to the point... VJs have stupid amounts of gear... I've got a whole studio, not to mention my house, that's filled with gear...

    I suppose if all you, as a VJ are producing, are AE comps and 3D renders then sure, you only need a laptop, but when you start talking green screen, cameras, mixers, distros, cords/cables/etc... when was the last time you saw a DJ carrying anything more than vinyl & MP3s?

    to be on topic tho, DJ Dan brought me a DVD when I played a party he was headlining... his "manager" insisted that it be played all by itself, and was pushing the line of being civil vs. insulting... it was about 38 mins long and was entirely black & white masks of women dancing... not even his name if I recall correctly... it would have been fun to mix with, if Dan's man hadn't been an ass.

    anyhow...
    House Music All Night Long

    Last edited: Apr 19, 2008
  23. WordVirus23

    WordVirus23 NoInput is Detected

    Playing club & sponsor logos *WILL* get you more gigs... don't be a pain in the arse, they are paying you afterall... if I know promoter X is going to want to see his sponsor's logos or the club's etc... I'll ask him to get them to me no later than 7 days before the gig... while this doesn't always happen, it gives me something to fall back on... "sorry I can't just drop uneditted logos in... should have gotten it to me last week." that way the blame falls squarely on the promoter for not getting them to me on time. besides... from what I can tell, hardly any VJ uses narrative story telling (they'd be short film producers then....) so it's not like using a logo for the base of your visuals for a few mins out of each hour will harm your "precious" art.

    besides... I've gotten a $100 tip for getting and showing a logo night of the event.

    to be taken with a grain of salt... I dislike using logo and would rather jam, but if you're working a corporate gig, you're making $, then having fun. in that order.
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2008
  24. john01

    john01 5 quids worth of italics

    You can probably prevent this problem by insisting the DJ provides you with material. Make it an obligation. Then keep asking where it is. In the end they will say "Why do I have to do your job, are you going to bring me records to play ?"
  25. rayrik

    rayrik New Member

    That`s right. I do it with all clients, makes good biz impression too.I also include in the contract "delivered 2 weeks before event" and that provided material is cleared legally.
  26. dreamteck

    dreamteck Happyearthlingwithamnesia

    Dj Zaney from netherlands calls me superman. He's probably takling the piss but i like to think he refers to my chest size yeah *im in retard post mode* its true
  27. asterix

    asterix IMAGINEER

    Its even wierder when a vj does it. I had a japanese vj muzzle me off at a festival once - just as the headline act came on. Not that I minded, I'd been going for 6 hours straight, but he played a pretty crap loop of some particles with the dj's name on it for about half an hour - followed by some of the shitiest content I'd ever seen.
  28. dreamteck

    dreamteck Happyearthlingwithamnesia

    L O L thats funny ast.
  29. Donnie Darko

    Donnie Darko pixel jockey

    wait... dj-ing.. pays ? :eek:
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2008
  30. Donnie Darko

    Donnie Darko pixel jockey

    Oooo...

    Care to post some gear porn in the Rig Pix thread ? :D

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