I have never started a thread but catching up reading threads of the last two month I have a feeling that there is a split forming between us that I would like to point out and have a discussion about. There are various threads that deal with the money making side and mainly there are two sides: one who does visuals for the money and one who does visuals because its fun (and its cool if you can make a living but its not mandatory). there are various threads about the use of clips from others (not diving to deep into here thats what the other threats are about) but basically there are those who claim that the thing about is the performance vs those who say its about making the whole experience. then there are threads which deal with the actual content. there it goes between a message (however this looks like) and the wallpaper art that the clubowner love so much (and bring you money). Ok all those threats are not so black and white as above but it points out the two extreme positions of people. Now with all this I have a question that I want to throw out: Isn?t this the core problem of art vs entertainment. Ok art can be entertainment but there is entertainment that clearly is not art. In my view I think that when you do get paid to make xyz visuals in corporate club fashion this clearly is entertainment. As much as Britney Spears is clearly entertainment (someone wants to argue that?). Entertainment is about money first. You make what you feel is getting you the best money and reception. While art come truly from the heart and money is second place. Again not black and white. I know that there is entertainment as in my description above that still comes from the heart and has an artistic value (you choose what you play). Also I think art has a message - always (and I have been slashed for this comment before) while entertainment - well - wants to entertain and make people forget every grey day outside and be happy. I think there can be a generell distinction between the two. Its really a bugging question I have at the moment. What ya think?