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Calling All Vj's. We Need You!!!

Discussion in 'Creating Content' started by GurenioMoore, Nov 13, 2008.

  1. GurenioMoore

    GurenioMoore ComeDownKid

    WE CURRENTLY IN PRE PRODUCTION FOR OUR DOCUMENTARY ABOUT MOVING IMAGE CULTURE, FOCUSING ON VJING. LOOKING AT THE RISE OF VJING / MOVING IMAGE ART IN THE 21ST CENTURY.

    OUR IDEA IS TO CREATE A DOCUMENTARY THAT CAN BE VIEWED ONLINE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT ALSO ALLOWS USER TO UPLOAD AND ADD THERE OWN CONTENT ASWELL AS EDITING OUR CONTENT.
    WITH THE IDEA OF CREATING AN ONLINE DOCUMENTARY ABOUT MOVING IMAGE CULTURE.

    WE HAVE CHOSEN TO FOCUS ON VJING AS OUR SECTION OF THE MOVING IMAGE DOCUMENTARY, AND WE WANT YOU TO GET INVOLVED SO THE WHOLE PROCESS IN FULLY INTERACTIVE.

    WE PLAN TO OFFER SAMPLES OF MUSIC THAT WILL BE IN OUR DOCUMENTARY AND WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TAKE THE AUDIO AND CREATE A VJ SET OR VISUALS TO IT, WHICH IN TURN WE WILL INCORPARATE INTO OUR DOCUMENTARY.
    WE WANT THIS DOC TO BE INTERACTIVE WITH YOU (our target audience)

    WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEND US IN ANY FORM, VIDEO, AUDIO OR WRITTEN....


    WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN OUR DOCUMENTARY ABOUT VJING.
    YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT VJING, WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU, THE HISTORICAL RISE OF VJING, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH TECHNOLGHY, RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HUMAN AND MACHINE, WHAT IT MEANS FOR YOU TO BE A VJ, THE ART FORM ITSELF. ANYTHING YOU FIND INTRESTING ABOUT VJING, WE WILL TRY TO INCORPARATE IT.

    WE WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR YOU TO SEND IN VIDEO CLIPS OF YOURSELF BEING INTERVIEWED WHICH WE WILL INCORPRATE INTO THE DOCUMENTARY.

    ANY IDEAS OR COMMENTS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

    PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY, WERE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

    OR FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US ON.

    DEANGMOOREMEDIA@GOOGLEMAIL.COM FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON OUR PROJECT.

    WE WILL UPDATE THIS MESSAGE TO GIVE DETAILS OF WHERE TO SEND YOUR IMPUT, AND WHAT SIZE ETC.


    LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU ALL

    THANKS
  2. Liquidmetro

    Liquidmetro Positively Phototropic

    Wish you luck, but it kinda sounds like "Hey send us your work, interviews etc" and will bung it online in a new content holder. Whilst I am all for self promotion..... Are you trying to do a VJ Wiki??

    Can you tell me more about who 'we' are.

    Please take this criticism constructively.
  3. fata alex

    fata alex analog VJ

    i for one would like to see what djs, musicians, promoters and audiences think of vjs, i've had enough of vjs talking about themselves to be honest.

    but having said that im still happy to contribute something, sounds like a good idea, the whole interactive online-y-ness...
  4. Rovastar

    Rovastar /..\

    I second that!
  5. DFUNC

    DFUNC New Member

    And please untoggle Caps-Lock!
  6. Trrl

    Trrl New at this

  7. automaton

    automaton Technician

    I for one would like some coverage of the DETROIT scene. I have a thankless job here and despite doing visuals since 1991, I am still poor and never thanked at the end of the night. maybe thats cuz im always the last one there tearing down and packing, or maybe because I am bad at it, but regardless...
  8. GurenioMoore

    GurenioMoore ComeDownKid

    Calling all Vjs Part 2

    Firstly i would like to say sorry for the capitals letter in the last letter.

    Thanks for the post so far, very helpful.

    What we are trying to do in this documentary is create an Interactive experience.

    We are creating a documentary based around Moving Image Culture. But because this is a vast and big topic we (myself & simon) are planning to explore Vjing within reference to moving image culture. We have chosen Vj, because i (dean) am a VJ, with a background in editing, and simon is a DJ and an audio specialist, so we feel we can explore "Vjing" as a subject in a new creative way.

    We do not want people to just send us there work, I'm sorry if this is how the previous message came across.

    We have just returned from London, OneDotZero adventures in motion, we are currently in talks with audio visual artists, VJ's and moving image artist who will hopefully appear in our documentary as well as arranging a trip to a european city to talk to other VJ's. We are planning to create at the least 30 minutes of original material if not more and would like this to grow with your involvement.

    What we want from people on this website is interaction.
    We plan to offer samples of music that we would love you to create content too, and be credited for. If you'd be up for being interviewed we would love the chance to do that, as well as coming to your events.

    We also want people to create there own documentary content that can fit under the moving image banner. We would ideally like our website to be a historical/timeline documentary of moving image culture touching on all aspects that is free for people to upload there work too, like a audio/visual wikipedia if that helps to give an impression of it.
  9. SteveG

    SteveG Downstairs for Dancing

    The fact that we're so often offered jobs with little or no finacial reward should give you an indication of exactly what some if not most think....not a lot :D

    GurenioMoore, I think some people will take you're request more seriously if you get your web site up and running first, after all a VJ and DJ combination could still be looking for free material here. Some examples of your own work would also help and allow people to view this as a serious project....do you have any work posted on the web? Simon surely has a web site if a serious DJ. Sounds like it could be a good thing to be involved with if done well. Good luck with it.
  10. fata alex

    fata alex analog VJ

    dean, you might want to mention to people that this is for your degree course (hopefully im right in assuming it is!), it puts the whole project in context, comapred to say if you were planning on commerically releasing it in someway....
  11. fata alex

    fata alex analog VJ

    exactly. and really thats the view we should be worried about, ultimately it doesn't matter what vjs think of themselves, we should be worrying about how we are received by the wider world. I know its not 'cool' or whatever to care about what other people think, but if you take vjing as a sub culture, it works in a degree of isolation, self-justifying and self-regulating, kind of like the fashion industry with sweat-shops. all the documenting of vjing that i've seen has been done by vjs themselves, we need an external angle i think.

    why?...


    sorry for hijacking your thread and taking it a bit off topic dean...
  12. magiclantern

    magiclantern New Member

  13. mowgli

    mowgli collapsing wave functions

    Why? we're hardly a cost that you can cut! Maybe we'll have to pay to perform?
  14. evomedia

    evomedia Control Freaks

    I'm never overly eager to be involved in these wierd requests for free content, I don't quiet get the documentary label with a website that is asking for content, unless its editied for the very best of what's out there, not just anything and everything.

    If you allow everyone to upload then your not offering any basis in terms of quality. Do people just want to see every bit of video produced and every person creating? Surely people want to see the best or landmark pieces not just everything thats motion based, thats called youtube!!!

    I'm always very wary of VJ's asking for footage with no real benefit to those who contribute, and especially wary of people essentially collecting as much footage as they can, I don't see what the uploaded content adds beyond centralising lots of video in one place ready for samplers.

    At present it sounds like it'll become a random timeline with no idea of structure and no reference to whats good or bad work, that may be the intention but then I dont see how giving my work away does anything except give samplers a place to steal it. :) I'd much rather just have a bio there.

    How on earth you'll structure a timeline with a more than a few artists is beyond me in any way thats coherant and of use to those it references, if its a wikipedia type, then just do a biog and some screenshots etc. Especially as many artists who are truely inspiring, challenging or ground breaking are unlikely to provide video content.

    If however its more a youtube style with all streamed video you guys better start learning how much storage and bandwidth your talking here? You better be rich else your in for a shock when you start talking the technology requirements for youtube style sites.

    At present with no working model, and no incentive I reckon you'll struggle, if you want contributions you have to provide a reason if you want people to give up content for free, over the already established great video libraries that already existing in vimeo, youtube, and archive, and bios are already great at wiki, add to that the many sites that already exist highlighting the best in motion graphics with links back the the above to show samples and dont see what I'm getting in added value.

    The one dot zero model is very different and is a commercial model based on dvd sales etc, they also commission pieces with a financial incentive.

    I'd much rather produce content for revostock where you get paid if people download your stuff, a paid incentive, or do an editorial for a dj mag where they do not require content and hit people who are useful to me. If I wanted just random viewers and give stuff away free then I'd rather upload to youtube where my hits are potentially vast.

    Just my concerns, but as it stands if many artists choose not to participate then your have a timeline full of holes and then becomes worthless as an historical item, I do know that youtube, wikipedia etc have been enormous money making models for the creators, another major reason why I generally shun these requests as the people starting them always have a financial basis for doing so, else its too much hassle on the whole. So what do you get out of it?

    One last thing, how are you going to handle copyright? are there T&C's? have you even considered that a huge amount of VJ's are samplers? how are you going to handle sample based content? hope you have a good lawyer if you let anyone upload anything, as wont be long before copyright lawyers start calling.

    Not trying to be overly negative, just can't help but feel its more a case of you guys trying to make yourselves money (else why go to the enormous costs this will involve?) when all I get is a listing that I could just put in wiki myself with added content that would have to be at a tiny res to avoid sampling and therefore do me little justice.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2008
  15. fata alex

    fata alex analog VJ

    i might be wrong evo, but i think its for a college project, so in that case, a lot of your concerns are somewhat too in depth, don't know how much dean & co were planning on implementing the concept 100%, as you've pointed out it might be more work than a final project is worth. im pretty sure theres no commercial intentions here though, its meant to be a community 'documentary' project for vjs to represent themselves, thats my understanding of it anyway. although you have pointed out some unpleasant home truths in the complexity of implementing the thing. i liked the idea at first, but now that i think about it, the logisitcs and reality of communal editing of communally uploaded material is a nightmare. perhaps that aspect of the project was more aimed at the interviews rather than peoples vj material?
    perhaps i should just shutup and let dean speak for himself!
  16. evomedia

    evomedia Control Freaks

    I'm happy to listen... I dislike giving content away as the best of times lol

    Once its out there I have no choice but to remove my control over it. Comparing it to wiki or youtube always has major issues as the both made their creators very rich,

    The major problem remains I still dont see how it will avoid samplers...educational or not. If its just internal to college its of no value as a document except the few and virtually no value to me, if however its planned as a public resource the all my points still hold true. Hence my wish for some answers.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2008
  17. pnut

    pnut Member

    Dean, might I suggest you take a look at

    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/mission.htm

    I did an academic project on this organisation and it appears that ethically what you are proposing to do is mirror such open publishing of content through a participatory model of interaction - your proposed website.

    Maybe it would be good to get an idea of areas of moving image culture your target audience are interested in, or find inspiring! I think this type of content would give a greater incentive for participants to engage with what it is that interests / inspires them, both privately within their own sphears and collectively within what you are proposing.

    I know that there are many inspiring posts on VJF, with many different practitioners working in and around very inspiring projects, a good place to start, after all VJF is a place to share idea's in a participatory way.

    I like the idea of having a participatory pic and mix type situation with uploaded interviews and footage from in and around the 'VJ' community, it could make for some very informative, educational and entertaining viewing / splicing / mixing. .

    There is the question of copyright, espessially when VJ content is involved, though I do not see this being a major issue as long as you have the intellectual man power to moderate it, and some sort of agreement among any contributors involved.
  18. GurenioMoore

    GurenioMoore ComeDownKid

    Calling All VJ's Part 3

    Once again thanks for all the comments so far they are very helpful.

    This is our University Third Year Project.
    We are planning to create a community website, with no financail motoarvations or gain.

    We want to create a website that is a place where artists, film makers, moving image artist can upload documentarys, shorts, etc that will all be hyperlinked together giving the viewer the option of where to go and what to watch.
    In terms of server space we are in talks with the university to gain access to there server. We will either use this as a storage department for all the footage and host our website else where or have our website based on there. We are also thinking about other possible alternative servers to hold all the footage for example .mac account.


    We have thought about the copyright issue and have spoken to our web designer/software developer. We discussed ideas such as a watermark on all upload material any other suggestion would be great. We have all talked and have decided that we will have to have a terms and condition agrrement upon signing up to our website, we are looking at creative commons for our license. This means we are looking for self created content only.

    We are going to be releasing some audio files which we would like you to create content for if you would like too, however if you feel copyright is a concern we would still like your imput and knowledge be it with ideas, events you think we should go to, your own events, certain avenues you would like to see personally within our documentary and of course if your willing to be on camera, we would love to come and interview you.

    We have meetings on monday and will update you further monday night.
    Look forward to hearing from you.

    Si & Dean
  19. vdmoKstaTi

    vdmoKstaTi Seems to be Right Now

    Why are you approaching this using old school methods (documentary) while it would make more sense to progress with this as ongoing blog and snippets of videos to support various segments of what makes up VJ culture and how its treated by others across the board.

    Your interactivity wont develop by gathering tons of content and compiling it into a solid piece, but by rather utilising well exsecuted web presence and tools for people to get inspired by contributing and adding to an overall project if you make people commit by contribution.

    VJ world is too huge to comprehend by some documentary, there are thousands of artists creating something every day and its going at really fast speeds fueled by creativity and technology. Your role if you choose to accept it is to learn about it and understand its growing structure and please try not to derail the creative process of other artists turning them into self promo ho's and administrators of additional burden and time waster for no financial gain to them.

    VJing is living organism so I don't see why you trying to capsulate it. You got to think with a slightly bigger mind set my friend.

    I see much bigger issue with ignorance and education not for VJ themselves but by glorifying and ego boost of DJ world which is only been selected to represent and grow the economical aspects of events industry. For years punters have been exposed to DJ names on the flyers which are in itself given a thick layer that is heavily spread leaving little or narrower margins for visuals artists to come and shine.

    At the end of the day, its primarily about the audience and unlike music, interactive multimedia is the only medium that I see that can bring audiences to the forefront of ongoing entertainment and let overall scene to take further steps forward leaving DJ ego presentation well behind.
  20. fata alex

    fata alex analog VJ

    i absolutely disagree with this, a well made documentary is more than capable of effecitvely documenting a 'scene' or technology/movement/culture far larger than the world of vjing. vjing is tiny compared to almost all other forms of art or entertainment
  21. GurenioMoore

    GurenioMoore ComeDownKid

    Calling all VJ's part 3

    We apologize for the delayed reply

    We feel that a documentary is the best way to capture a scene/movement.
    However we want our doc. to be very unconventional.

    We are trying to make a doc. that will not be shown on TV. We feel strongly that TV is a medium we wouldn't want our project shown on. Instead we want our primary release of distribution to be the Internet / installation in galleries with the hope of performing this live.

    We want to create a doc, but we want to use a different medium to represent the message / story. We also feel that we have the chance to manipulate both the imagery and sound in this production in a way more suited to a live performance, and with the project being displayed over 3 screens, we have the power to do audio and visual panning.
    We hope to create a documentary that is in essence very familiar in parts to an A/V set.

    At this moment in time we have Interview candidates lined up from both the UK and Berlin Germany.

    We are also working with a web designer Jem Mackey

    http://www.swarmtv.org/website.asp?page=Legend of King Arthur 2.0

    and Brendan Byrne

    http://www.vjtheory.net/

    We are still very keen to hear what you have to stay, so far it has been a great help to our project and has helped in the development and critical thought behind the project.


    Thank you
  22. SteveG

    SteveG Downstairs for Dancing

    It would be unconventional if you managed to get it on TV :D Personally I'm fed up reading about VJ theory, "the scene" and people puting wall paper up in art galleries. Get out and about and document some real underground VJ's doing their thing and earning their bread and butter.....or bus fare home;)
  23. vjneef

    vjneef -------

    I never thought I would say this, maybe I'm getting old ;)
    but
    making your documentary unconventional because you want to make you documentary unconventional might not be such a good idea. Most things that were unconventional in a good way are unconventional because it couldn't be done otherwise.
    Thinking about the structure of a documentary is ok and thinking about what you want to do and how this is done best and playing with structures is all very well.
    But first you might think of what's so interesting that you think you can make a documentary about it. And then you should think of how to present this and if you are going to present this in the way you are saying. Why would you call it an unconventional documentary, why not a conventional web site?
    If you would like samples, you can just download them from my website. www.vjneef.nl
    I'm not afraid of someone stealing them because they were good at that moment with that music, and they are all mixed up now. So if anyone else would try to use them it would probably look very different and not very good. Wouldn't really like it though if someone used it without asking ;(
  24. cneeraj

    cneeraj New Member

    I am wondering if VJing is more popular/prevalent in Europe vs. US. Being new the whole scene and to this forum I am noticing much more contributions from those outside US. This would be interesting point of view in addition to what the DJ, promoters and the patrons of the dance clubs think about the this art form.
  25. vjneef

    vjneef -------

  26. GurenioMoore

    GurenioMoore ComeDownKid

    Calling all Vjs Part 4

    Hello Vj's

    Hope every one had a great xmas and new year.
    As you know myself(dean) and simon are creating a documentary on Vjing for our third year final piece at university.

    We have several interview's lined up with VJ's in the UK, and Berlin.

    We feel that we would like to get more people for the documentary to be interviewed to give their views.
    If you can't schedule in an interview with us but would still like to take part we will happily send you our questions, which you could in turn record, audio or visual and we will incorporate that into our doc.

    If anyone would like to get involved please feel free to email me deangmooremedia@googlemail.com,
    Simon has finished a few songs/tunes that will be in the documentary, if anyone would like to create content for them, whcin in turn will be added to our doc, please email me, we are going to post the tracks online in a day or two. If you create any visual to go with the song, we will not only watermark them so they can not be copied, they will also be under our creativy commons license, you will also be credited for your work.

    Any imput or suggestion would be great, if you have run a night where visual's are played, know of any visual gigs going on if you could let us knwow we would be very greatful.

    We would need advance warning, as were based in falmouth Cornwall.

    look forward to hearing from you.

    Si & Dean
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2009

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