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hippotizer 2 (nearly) released

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by klumsy, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. klumsy

    klumsy VisualJockey JesusFreak

    hippotizer 2 released

    i just was over at green-hippo.com and saw that the new hippo is released.
    http://www.green-hippo.com/hippotizer/html/whats_new.htm

    what sticks out to me the most is high resolution, with high frame rate, eve 1920x1040 HD resolution on the hippo HD. it seems its because all effects and everything are based on pixelshaders

    also the new 3d engine, with integration with 3dsmax seems promising
    http://www.green-hippo.com/hippotizer/html/3D_Engine.html


    and by the way, this isn't an avertisement, i'm just a curious interested vj.
     
  2. thomase

    thomase VJ Wunderkind

    any idea on pricing?
     
  3. apu

    apu Jigsaw Crew

    indeed they look like some serious pieces of gear!!

    shame about the lack of real demo's or examples on the website. kind of whack to have such little examples of the work it can do really

    but yeah if i had tons of cash and time up my sleeve i would take one
     
  4. many2

    many2 Active Member

    I have been working on the new Hippotizers for months now and I must say it is the most impressive real-time graphic solution I have ever seen. Lots of new features, an amazing GUI with multiple previews for layers, mixes and effects, you can save any settings at any time as a preset and recall it when you need it, multi-channel sound output, midi and SMPTE timecode support, the whole engine is now based on pixel and vertex shaders, the 3d integration with 3dsmax is on par with most videogame engines, and the whole thing is just so fast I can't believe it ! You don't know how hard it has been not to talk about all this here before the official launch at Plasa this weekend - it's like having a Formula1 car hidden in your garage :)
     
  5. thomase

    thomase VJ Wunderkind

    and how much is it???
     
  6. many2

    many2 Active Member

    Pricing is still under evaluation - the different prices for each model will be disclosed at a later time. Development isn't finished (more amazing features are coming believe me!) and the hardware for each model is being tested and evaluated to get the most powerful solution possible at a decent price. Remember though that this console is made for theaters, clubs, show tours and the like and is not really made for VJs - so don't expect a VJ friendly price since this isn't the target market at all.

    If you need a quote for a project or a client then feel free to contact the Green Hippo guys directly :)
     
  7. Nema

    Nema New Member

    yeah, i know what you mean...

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    :jump:
     
  8. LEVLHED

    LEVLHED gear whoreder

    sounds sweet....until we get sticker-shocked (again)

    I'm still glad to see this stuff progressing.
     
  9. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    Notice how you can't see the steering wheel ;) :p
     
  10. Nema

    Nema New Member

    ...yeah, because it is remote-controlled through midi/DMX/artnet/touchscreen (with live-previews for each channel, of course, and thumbnails for media selection, and save/recall-buttons with live-stickers. and muchmore...)/RS232/third-party-fader-desk...
     
  11. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    Hahahaha I'm talking about the F1 ;)
     
  12. Nema

    Nema New Member

    me too! ;-)
     
  13. VJDefinitive

    VJDefinitive New Member

    I have to admit, the first version of the Hippotizer didnt realy impress me. As I compared it to my VJ setup and software. Basically my individual pieces of gear could create better results.

    However, after seeing the Hippotizer this year at PLASA, I am blown away!! If any of you had seen the old version, forget that every exsisted. This version looks like a brand spanking new piece of serious VJ gear.

    This is the first time I could justify spending up to 4K plus on this type of hardware.

    There are a few things that I would like to see added, but as discussed with the guys from Scene-Change, these are all coming soon, just hope that its very soon!!

    I also believe that this is the way to go for serious music DVD creation. Mainly due to the resolutions that it can now handle and the speed of the machine. I was also impressed with the control options

    I am actually thinking bout looking into controlling the new Hippotizer with the new Allen and Heath Mixer

    http://www.allen-heath.com/DisplayProduct.asp?pview=45

    This would surely look the dogs bollocks at performances!!

    I am myself only a club VJ, but I do tours in the summer months, so I would consider purchasing something like this. I also believe it would be an asset to my studio, especially for rapidly creating visulas for DVDs/Videos etc.
     
  14. elbows

    elbows PixelRomper

    Looks very very interesting, wish I was in the right market to buy one, maybe one day I will get there!
     
  15. Nema

    Nema New Member

    i appreciate your compliments about the new hippotizer version! many people have been working hard for this version, and i am happy that the reults now become obvious!

    controlling hippotizer with xone will be cool, good luck! :)
     
  16. VJDefinitive

    VJDefinitive New Member

    What also impresses me, is the guys who are pushing this bit of kit. They are taking on the big boys like Martin and High End Systems to name a few, and in my opinion (I have seen all the other systems) the new Hippotizer is the best, by far.

    In fact, if theres any of you out there that use the other Club Visual systems, and havent seen the new Hippotizer, I recommend taking a look, you will be amazed.

    Check these links out:

    Martin (based on the KazetachiAD - (Blow) software)

    http://www.maxedia.com/

    High End Systems

    http://www.highend.com/products/digital_lighting/catalyst.asp
     
  17. LEVLHED

    LEVLHED gear whoreder

    I think the HD thing is pretty wicked...very curious to know the est. price.
     
  18. VJDefinitive

    VJDefinitive New Member

    I heard that the bottom of the range is around 4K and the upper range is around 8K maybe even more (thats in ?'s)
     
  19. LEVLHED

    LEVLHED gear whoreder

    right...so thats $6k USD to $12k USD? yikes. I assume the HD version is right in the middle somewhere? maybe upper-middle.

    sorry hippo guys..you can't blame us for speculating since your cat jumped out of the bag.
     
  20. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    Not suprising since Catalyst seriously BLOWS mix wise, and although I'm not to familiar with the martin thing I'm sure its not far off...

    Good to see someone doing something interesting and stirring up that field even if I haven't agreed with everything they have done in the past.
     
  21. monty

    monty New Member

    I really want one for me!
    I forgot other media servers and still want to know how $
    :grrr:

    I'm basically Visual jockey user.. and doing every show with it..

    what I want : quality audio (is there rca or cannon plug?
    I saw miniPin in express. also afraid of NOISE)
    audiocard upgrade will be good.

    program ability like visual jockey
    (for example double screen - very useful for
    different shapes of LED mounting, particle effect..)
    node structure - it's like my LEGO kit 25 years ago

    what I like : High resolution media stream (4 DV is ok^^)

    built in DMX in

    visualjockey engine

    hoping 'market standard option' is getting more usable
     
  22. Nema

    Nema New Member

    it seems you are talking about "green hippo" here, the manufacturer of hippotizer (v1 and v2). (?)

    green hippo did - from beginning on - do nothing else than creating systems for interactive live-visuals, be it for theatre, musicals, clubs, concerts, or whatsoever. they did no strategic change recently, they just improved the quality and abilities of their product. their very first version (version 0) was some kind of "simple media-server", they could just play highend mpeg streams on several screens but without much interaction (except play/pause/select clip/font overlay). the next version (version 1) - which was based on the visualJockey-engine - was still the same thing: playing videos (in average resolutions) smoothly, but with the possibility to add some live-effects and filters in various ways, and some automated sync-to-the-beat behavior. the current version (version 2) now is STILL doing the same thing, but build on a completely recoded kernel, allowing you to do everything on a much higher level in high resolutions and with multiple simultaneous streams, and also with a much advanced (and loved!) GUI.

    green hippo has never really had the intention to built systems designed for the needs of VJs, because they always had their own customers and own target-markets outside the VJ-scene, long before i got in touch with them and confronted them with visualJockey and the whole VJ-scene. now that their systems allow more and more interaction and remote-control even at highest resolutions, the new hippotizer would of course also be a nice toy for serious VJs. however, due to the customers of the targeted marketfields, hippotizers are shipped together with professional hardware and with hundrets of prebuilt highquality videoclips especially designed for the needs of the customer, which - as you can easily imagine - results in an advanced pricing system far above the pricing of normal VJ-software. there is currently no intention to release light-versions especially for VJs, because the quality-level reached the way hippotizers are currently sold is not matter of discussion. this is not meant to be "against" VJs (who would prefer cheaper light-versions, which is very understandable) at all. green hippo does a solid business outside the VJ-scene which is needed to continue doing a good and serious job, and you VJs are on the best way to get involved into such projects where hippotizers are taking place too.

    so, i hope that VJs and VJ-software developers will more and more accept the hippotizer beeing a "interactive visual system" allowing you to do cool things similar to what good VJ software does, but without wanting to attack VJs (as it strangely seemed to happen with version1). after all it is no surprise that hippotizer comes with some neat new features, as its development engages several people from different countries, working all day and night on its development. (it would be a real shame if it wasn't like that, because so much work and money is beeing put into it!). i am full of respect towards all the makers of VJ software and their results - i know that they are all great talents and passionated, and i still remember my times as visualJockey developer too..!

    i hope that hippos and VJs can stay friends in future and respect the work of each other!
     
  23. sleepytom

    sleepytom VJF Admin

    yet again there are no real specs on the website :(

    you claim 1920i "output resolution" but do not talk of internal processing resolution at all - is it processing at full resolution internally or using VJo style quarter resolution processing scaled up on output?

    1920i - the i stands for interlaced - are you processing interlaced internally or have you just got a graphics card that says it supports 1920i output?

    SDI output options - are these scanconverted from DVI / VGA output (don't see how else you can be doing it coz there aren't any pixleshader cards that output via sdi)?

    come on guys you can do better than this - your current site is a pretty good marketing site but it is really lacking in technical information - if you are attempting to compete with products and solutions from the likes of folsom and extron you really need to sort out a decent tech spec page with actual information about frame sizes, compression, output methods, input>output latency etc etc.

    also listing venues that have got installed hippotizers would be a very good start - at least then i would know where to go to see one in action (this is of course assuming that its a real product that has actually been sold to venues - something which is difficult o believe without a list of clients or venues to go and see it in action)
     
  24. Nema

    Nema New Member

    1) the resolutions are not cheated! it is the resolution of the clips (i probably means interlaced clips, but all other processing is NOT interlaced!), all filters and the final output. however, i prefer multiple channels at lower (=PAL) resolutions than single or double-channel at high-resoltions.

    2) SDI output: yes as long as ATI and NVIDIA don't directly support it, there is no other way.

    3) the current homepage is a real shame and i hope it will be improved soon by the webmaster! big sorry for that!
     
  25. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    Actually I was talking about the involvement of the VJo crew... but its nice to see you could take a simple comment and make it a huge long marketing rant.... well done :zzz:
     
  26. sleepytom

    sleepytom VJF Admin

    yeah thats what i thought :)

    i would be very careful about claiming 1920i output from progressive processing - it is not really a true 1920i system if processing is progressive.

    other than that its a very interesting system - i'd very much like to see it in action "in the field" - are there any installed systems in the UK?
     
  27. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    *disclaimer - does not apply to the hippo 2, VJo crew sold out ages ago*

    Strange how a software started with the best intentions (a simple little demo builder), when dropped in the hands of a "corp" can multiply its selling price X10+ by bundling off the shelf hardware and slapping a sticker on it.

    Honestly I don't care about the usual VJ "It might cost me gigs" angle... I'm talking simply about the sad deliniation of the theatre/auto-club "got money so we will rip them off" and "we can actually use this to create something cutting edge" VJ market.

    Call me a commie but I believe in putting the tools in the hands of the ppl that will do the most with them. Not charging the most to the highest bidder and telling everyone else to get fucked.
     
  28. Nema

    Nema New Member

    we live in times of "hyper-competition"; if you don't treat your customers fair enough or if you don't supply highest quality, you won't find any customers at all (or you will spend more money for the marketing than you canfinally earn). ripping off (obviously) never even worked at all in this marketfield, the prices were already dumped to the max from beginning on. the longer the more there are more than enough competitors with much bigger budgets (highend with catalyst, martin with maxedia, just to mention the "global players"). so, the customers themselves have all power to decide if a product and its services are worth the price or not. and frankly speaking, i am more than happy that things are as simple as this, because those who really work hard and play fair in all categories over a long time will be awarded, and the big players are too inertial to keep up with the real innovations by the little enthousiastic teams (so, let's hope we stay small and innovative! :)).
     
  29. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    I agree catalyst and martin can eat me ass. Small and creative is good. I still think a lot of "solutions" (gawd I hate marketing speak) are WELL over priced.

    Anyways as I said I'm not interested in providing more material to be made into a base for marketing bullshit, so I'll end it here, except to say HARWARE = NOTHING special, software = NOTHING SPECIAL (within the context of whats being done in various more good willed communities).... marketing budget and getting in the ears of the sad little man with the money and no creativity= GREAT JOB... KEEP IT UP :rolleyes:
     
  30. MoRpH

    MoRpH Moderator

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA seriously please, bambozaling twits with numbers and swirly shit has WORKED well for others. And you guys are jsut the next in line.... enjoy it while it lasts...
     

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